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petronder
Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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 Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: Is this what he was trying to accomplish? |
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A while back I was playing in a NL game and a guy made a point to say, "I check blind" or "I'll call blind." IIRC, he did this twice in the BB and once from the button.
I was never involved in a pot with him when he did this but it seemed to throw off his opponents.
Is this what he was trying to accomplish? Has anyone seen opponents do this or do it themselves? How do you play against someone who announces they are playing blind? I told myself if he pulled that against me, I'd just push all in at him if I got any of the flop.
I've been at tables before where the play was so tight that it didn't matter what cards I had, I just had to show strength to take down a pot. But I've never announced that I didn't look at my cards. |
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norshvind
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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In my home game, If I'm running good, and have a big stack, I'll raise blind if I'm under the gun. I'll make a point to announce my raise of 4-6 times the BB as my cards are being dealt... I'll say..."I'll raise in the dark..."
I confuses some people... ticks off a few people... and generally doesn't do anything negative for you as long as you have the cash in front of you to handle a loss of 4-6 times the big blind if someone else re-raises you and you look down at 7-2 offsuit.
I usually won't look at my cards even after my bet... and if I'm re-raised the minimum amount by a player... depending on his stack size... and the quality player he is... I might call his re-raise in the dark...
it really messes with his head...
I don't do it very often... usually every other tournament or so... but only if I've got the stack... |
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razor
Joined: 21 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Is this what he was trying to accomplish? |
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| petronder wrote: |
Is this what he was trying to accomplish? |
Yes, and it seems it worked. This came out of the ESPN coverage of the WSOP, and is actually very legal. You can only do it in live games, unless some online site offers it as a feature in the future.
Whether you want to actually do this, is left entirely to your discretion. |
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chris
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Is this what he was trying to accomplish? |
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| petronder wrote: | A while back I was playing in a NL game and a guy made a point to say, "I check blind" or "I'll call blind." IIRC, he did this twice in the BB and once from the button.
I was never involved in a pot with him when he did this but it seemed to throw off his opponents.
Is this what he was trying to accomplish? Has anyone seen opponents do this or do it themselves? How do you play against someone who announces they are playing blind? I told myself if he pulled that against me, I'd just push all in at him if I got any of the flop.
I've been at tables before where the play was so tight that it didn't matter what cards I had, I just had to show strength to take down a pot. But I've never announced that I didn't look at my cards. |
Checking blind or in the dark usually means you're first to act and you check the flop before it is dealt. Seeing as this can not be done from the button, I assume you meant checking or something without haveing looked at your cards. The former can be tricky if done right, the second is generally dumb. If your opponents know this then they know you can have any two and will bet with any piece, and the blind player will either call with most likely a bad hand, fold what might be a good hand, or look at his cards and play continues as normal.
Raising in the dark is fun when first to act. Against some weak players it looks like a bluff and to bet all-in blind before the river is dealt is fun when you have the nuts. |
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heartbreaker
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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Don't know why other people do it, but here's why I personally exercise those plays and when-
Checking blind
I do this when I limp off the SB or any other time I'm first to act off the Flop and usually Flop only. I do it because I want to throw my opponents off and also do it if I want to get a better read on one or more of them.
By checking blind, they are completely in the dark about what I have. I'll usually only do this play if I have a very marginal hand (like Q-9 suited, A-x, etc.). It usually guarantees you at least a call if you hit a Flop and your opponent(s) bet.
Betting blind
Use this one in limit against tighter players who I put on a medium strength hand and who I also put on NOT being on a draw. No need to bet blind, then watch their Flush card hit and get raised.
For example, if the board was a rainbow of K-Q-5-8-3 and I put my opponent on a Q w/ weak kicker or a 5 or something like that and he was a tight player, I'd consider betting in the dark to force him to muck.
Usually only try this one if I have been firing off to begin with and conveying strength throughout the hand.
I see this one used way too much against looser players and the science of it is lost on them. By betting dark, you are telling the other player that it doesn't matter what cards they hold, you're willing to put money on the hand up to the Turn and it also doesn't matter what they hit on the River. Bad loose players simply don't care or aren't paying attention and will call you anyway. |
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jorpot
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 24, 2006 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| If someone was betting or calling blind, I would play the hand conservatively. You don't know what he has and neither does he. He is definitely trying to intimidate you and get you to really think about what you are doing. |
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jhasper
Joined: 24 Dec 2005
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| What to do with blind players.... Well i always raise the blind wthout seeing my hand at least once a game. it just throws people off for a couple hands. Another good trick is saying ' i raise this stack". People are thrown off by it because they don't exactly know why you would bet sometrhing so random. If you ahve a good ahnd make sure it's a stack fo small amount chips like ( if your playing with 1 dollar, 5, 10,25,100 dollars chips) 1 dollar if you have a good hand. Raise a lot if you ahve a moderate hand. if you ahve a draw or liek top pair bet medium chips. Do try and mix it up a lot though so it won't be a tell |
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