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lork



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:51 am    Post subject: Did I make a bad play here? Reply with quote

Situation 1: We know online poker is unrealistic. I lost playing online when I had 2 pair K 10, the other guy had K J and the flop was K 10 J. He bet, I raised him (just double what he bet), he re-raised me and that put me all in.

This doesn't happen often? 2 players flopping 2 pair?

Did I make the correct play? I wanted to go all in at the turn after he had called my raise on the flop but he put me all in on the flop. I think I made the right play and it was just bad luck that he happened to have 2 pair just like me. We both called preflop. I don't think this happens often I bet the odds are against this. My guess is that this is "the poker Gods" hating you type of situation.

Situation 2: I had pocket kings. I raised preflop he called. I bet on the flop he called. I bet at the turn he called. I decide to go all in to make him fold. The flop had nothing but undercards.

what do I see? he had pocket aces. Did I make a bad play here or is this another "poker Gods" hate me type situation? knowing that the odds of getting kings and aces are rare and we both get them at the same time just goes to show how unrealistic online poker is. Yes this does happen in live play but the odds against it are huge, I have seen this plenty of times in online play.
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pritz



Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 31
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first situation isn't that rare, it happened to Amir Vahedi against Jason Lester in the 2003 world series and i see it relatively often in live games. When it happens its tough to not lose a lot in the hand. In super system, Brunson makes a point several times over saying don't get broken in a live pot with 2 pair that aren't the top 2 pair. You just have chalk that one up to experience and bad luck, but you'll get it back when you're on the top end of the same situation. In the 2nd hand IMHO you overplayed the kings. KK is a good hand, but it is by no means the nuts when it doesn't improve. It's somewhat tough to play because its a hand you're trying to show down, but you also don't want to give any free cards. It sounds like you were playing correctly until the turn in the respect that the only person who is going to call that all-in is going to have you beat. I realize that you wanted him to fold due to the risk of him hitting an ace, a straight, or hitting his kicker to make 2 pair, but by moving in, you're causing you're EV to go way down since you're losing money since hands that can't beat kings will fold and hands that can beat kings will call and break you.
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razor



Joined: 21 Dec 2005
Posts: 26
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the odds of someone having pocket aces when you have pocket kings are about 20:1 to 25:1, depending on how many people are at the table. it's a long shot, but definitely not impossible.
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ballen



Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 27
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ever type of flop ive seen online, ive seen like.

3 7's, all the same suit, runner runner. It all happens in real life
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johnf



Joined: 31 Dec 2005
Posts: 24
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday I had a beat that made me quit for the day. I was delt AhAd in middle position...with 2 calls and 2 folds in front of me and I bet $60 in a 10/20. It is folded to the dealer who immediately goes all in (about 300) everyone else folds and I call with a little less. We turn over our cards and he has AcAs and I am thinking split pot, but then low and behold 2 clubs come out on the flop...a spade on the turn...and the killer 8c giving him a flush beating me set. That one was tough getting my pocket aces beaten by pocket aces.
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DeepBlue



Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 121
PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not uncommon, and the fact he was staying in would have had me worred, especially with K 10 J on the flop - Queen and Ace perhaps?

I wouldn't have gone all in, though I would have raised fairly hard with that. It's a fairly strong hand and you could have made a full house with the 2 cards to come. I wouldn't feel I played badly, though I would have preferred to come away knowing I did consider that he had a hand too.
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ThomasR



Joined: 19 Dec 2005
Posts: 10
PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your eyes lit up at a good hand and you kind of missed what your opponent could have had. I wouldn't call it bad, more a little miguided. A big raise wasn't out the question, though all-in was perhaps a little extreme.

I agree with Blue, you could have made a better hand, but as it was a "maybe" I would probably have saved my chips to an extent there.
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